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OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE & ELIGIBILITY FOR POTUS – WHAT LAWMAKERS NEED TO KNOW BEFORE RETURNING HOME IN AUGUST (Part Two)

Categories: 2008 Election, Barack Obama, Congress, Democrats, LEGAL ISSUES, LIFE, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, politics, Uncategorized

Tags: 2008 campaign, 2008 Election, Donofrio v. Wells, Kerchner v. Obama, LEO DONOFRIO, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, NATURALIZED CITIZENS, Obama, OBAMA CANNOT BE POTUS

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Published on: July 30, 2009

When this has finally played itself out, I think we’ll find that the Obama birth certificate issue has been a brillant con job used to deflect attention from the real issues of Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of POTUS. Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya, IT DOESN’T MATTER. The same is true of his mother’s citizenship.

As I said yesterday,I don’t blame lawmakers for wanting to dodge reporters when asked about Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of president. There is no reason to duck the questions. Armed with the following information, lawmakers should seek out the MSM and ask why they haven’t done their job.

Is Barack Obama a “natural born citizen” as required under our Constitution?

NO. For a fuller explanation here:

Natural born citizenship status in a nation is granted by the facts of nature of your birth. No law or statute is necessary to grant it. The nations can make any law they wish to make a person a citizen at birth or later. But natural born citizenship can only be conveyed by nature by the facts at birth of the child. If you are born in the country of two citizen parents you are “naturally” … a “natural born citizen” … a citizen too … but a specific kind of citizen who is eligible to be the President and Commander-in-Chief of our military since the child when born has sole allegiance to this country and there is no claim on him/her by a foreign country or power as to their citizenship at birth by that country too. Natural born citizens have unity of citizenship at birth. A natural born citizen is NOT a dual citizen at birth. A natural born citizen has no divided loyalty issues by his birth since the child was born in the country to two citizens of the country

Has Barack Obama ever been eligible to hold office?

NO, but the answer has less to do with his birth certificate than with the status of his citizenship at the time of his birth. The birth certificate has become a ( purposeful) distraction for the larger issues surrounding Obama and the presidency. Obama’s Kenyan father was a British national who passed his citizenship to his son. His mother could not automatically pass her citizenship to Obama because she was underage at the time of his birth. There is a very strong legal argument to be made that Obama was born a British citizen.

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Does it matter if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya?

NO, Hawaii or Kenya, it doesn’t matter! What matters is his citizenship status on August 4, 1961. Whether he was legally born a British citizen or with dual citizenship, either automatically disqualifies him for POTUS. For people who are ignorant of the real issues, it is easy to say he was born in Hawaii and that his mother was a U.S. citizen and to dismiss this as racist, Republican, wingnut propaganda. It doesn’t change the facts.

Has this country ever had a President that is a dual citizen?

NO.

Is Obama a U.S. citizen?

YES … maybe, but not a natural born citizen. Since he and his legal team haven’t released a single record that buttresses his claim, it is hard to know conclusively. It is possible that he is a naturalized citizen? Yes, but his citizenship claim is complicated by the fact that his mother renounced her citizenship when she married her second husband, Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia. Her renunciation of U.S. citizenship impacted on Obama’s citizenship status.

Is seeing the long form of his birth certificate important?

YES, but not necessarily to determine if he was born in the United States. The Constitution requires that a candidate running for office of the President be a natural born citizen…not a naturalized citizen, or native born citizen, or dual citizen. Obama’s own website acknowledges that his citizenship was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.

But the MSM keeps saying he’s a citizen and he was born in Hawaii … and what about the birth announcements and the birth certificate that I’ve seen?

IT DOESN’T MATTER! Let me say it again, what matters is Obama’s citizenship status the moment he was born. Everything else is secondary. The story provides plausible cover but it is a very small part of the seminal issues surrounding Obama’s citizenship. Anyone can place an announcement in the newspaper. The act of placing an announcement in a newspaper proves nothing. The “birth certificate” is a phony AND probably inadmissible in a court of law!

Even if Obama were to release the vault copy of his birth certificate it doesn’t change the fact that his citizenship was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948. He’s a Brit!

CNN COVERS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUES … SORT OF!

by mica

Categories: 2008 Election, Barack Obama, cable networks, Culture, Democrats, LEGAL ISSUES, MSM, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, politics, RANDOM

Tags: CABLE CLOWNS, constitutional crisis, corruption and hypocrisy, DUAL CITIZENSHIP, LEO DONOFRIO, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, NATURALIZED CITIZENS, Obama, OBAMA CANNOT BE POTUS, OBAMA NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CONNECTION

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Published on: July 21, 2009

Well, the cable networks are finally giving the Obama birth certificate/natural born citizen issues some air time. Right? Well, not exactly.

Last week the words “Obama, ineligible to be president, and birth certificate” were spoken over at FOX and at CNN. The Lou Dobbs radio show devoted a significant amount of time to the topic and asked the question we have been asking for months, “Why not release the darn birth certificate?” No need to ask that question anymore. It hasn’t been released because it has information on it that would prove Obama has no right to be called President.

The Dobbs radio show was in sharp contrast to the televised segment hosed by Kitty Pilgrim. Instead of giving us honest reporting, most of the FACEOFF segment was spent defending Obama and trying to “debunk” the legitimate issues surrounding Obama’s refusal to produce ANY documents supporting his claim to American citizenship.

It appears the only reason CNN focused on the ongoing issues surrounding Obama’s birth certificate was to take issue with Dr. Orly Taitz and Alan Keyes and to make them look foolish. The CNN segment ran 6:45; of which more than 3 minutes were spent defending Obama’s phony COLB (certificate of live birth). Using Annenberg’s Fact Check and two announcements of Obama’s birth in Hawaiian newspapers to buttress the claims that this story has been “thoroughly investigated” and reported, Pilgrim sucked up air time and droned on and on. It wasn’t until the last 30 seconds of the segment that Taitz had time to mention Obama’s dual citizenship, and that was virtually drown out as the segment was fast coming to a close.

Watch the video and ask yourself if you think Obama’s ineligibility to serve as POTUS was given a fair hearing.

Here’s the ongoing major problem with most of the focus on Obama’s birth certificate. The focus on the birth certificate has obscured the larger issues with Obama’s claim to US citizenship. The MSM’s “analysis” of Obama’s Hawaiian/Kenyan birth never gets any further than his mother was a citizen of this country. Those who want to silent us use, “She was an American citizen, case closed.” In truth, I’ll bet you couldn’t find two “reporters” in the MSM who could give an explanation of the differences between a citizen, a natural born citizen, a naturalized citizen.

As Leo Donfrio (Donfrio v. Wells) has said numerous times and in various ways:

It’s obvious that the framers drew a distinction between the meaning of “citizen” and the meaning of “natural born citizen”. A “citizen” can be Senator or Representative, but in order to be President one must be a natural born citizen.

In order to be a natural born citizen BOTH parents have to citizens of this country. Team Obama has embraced his father’s nationality. This cannot be side stepped. That means the best case scenario for Obama is he was born with dual citizenship. The Constitution does not allow for our country’s President to hold dual citizenship.

In reality, there is a strong legal case to be made that Obama was born a British citizen. Obama’s father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen at the time BHO was born. Because his mother was too young enough to confer her citizenship to Obama, it was Obama’s father’s nationality that was passed onto Obama. This is a FACT, end of story.

Again, from Donofrio:

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It’s the difference between a fact and a legal status.

Whether you are a natural born citizen is a fact of nature which can’t be waived or renounced, but your actual legal citizenship can be renounced. The difference is subtle, but so very important. “Natural born citizen” is not a different form of “citizenship”. It is a manner of acquiring citizenship. And while natural born citizens may end their legal tie to the country by renouncing citizenship, they will always have been naturally born into that nation as a citizen.

Although this has been stated elsewhere, this comment from Watching the Nation succinctly states the legal status of Obama:

According to common law and Vattel (mentioned above) it seems the term “natural born” was and is and has always been understood to mean born to parents who are citizens (with an s) (and with emphasis on the father) of the United States.

What we have in our current president is a man who is the child of a British national.

Whether Obama was born in Hawaii, or Kenya, or Timbuktu, doesn’t matter one whit. His father’s nationality was passed on to him, thus making Obama ineligible to be President of the United States!

OBAMABOT CHALLENGE #2 – USING LOGIC DEFEND OBAMA’S REFUSAL TO PRODUCE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS PROVING HIS CITIZENSHIP

by sandstone

Categories: 2008 Election, Barack Obama, Culture, Democrats, LIFE, politics, RANDOM, Uncategorized

Tags: NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, Obama, OBAMA CANNOT BE POTUS, SYLLOGISM

Comments: 22 Comments

Published on: November 13, 2008

Two days ago, I issued a challenge to the Obamabots. Prove that those of us who are fighting so hard to get Obama to release the vault copy of his birth certificate which would prove he is eligible to run as POTUS, are wrong.

Even on the surface of this challenge, one would think that the Kool-Aid kids would want to silence the criticism with the truth once and for all. The truth being, that Obama needs to release the vault copy of his birth certificate, his health records, his college transcripts, college thesis, and all relevant documents pertaining to his background. It isn’t as if this is new hurdle for Obama to jump or that he has somehow been singled out. THIS IS BASIC!

Not surprisingly, all I received were predictable responses from the Obamabots . . . every one diverting attention from the central issue. Think about how outrageous it is that American citizens have been forced to file suit in order to get Obama and the DNC to provide verification that he is indeed a citizen of the U.S. How tough is this… really!

So today, here is the new challenge. Using logic, defend Obama’s refusal to provide America and its citizens with this information. To start you off, please refer to the post originally found in the comments section over at America’s Right. It is written by Dr. Coambs who studies human reasoning and logic. Read the entire article . . . I will know if you cheated and only skimmed it.

Dr. Coambs challenges all of us to use deductive reasoning or syllogism to determine Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS. The complete post can also be found here at News & Commentary for Thinking People.

He says, in part, that Obama is disqualified as POTUS bt virtue of the following deductive reasoning:

Major Premise: To be POTUS, the candidate’s eligibility must be publicly known.
Minor Premise: Obama’s eligibility is not publicly known.
Conclusion: Therefore Obama is not POTUS.

(6) How Categorical Syllogisms work

When we learn logic in school the categorical syllogism is often taught like this. It begins with a Major Premise, like this:
All humans are mortal.
Then one introduces a second, or Minor Premise, like this:
Socrates is human.
Then we combine the major and minor premises to get this Conclusion:
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

This method of deductive logic is more than 2000 years old and is taught in almost every introductory logic course in the world. According to these rules of deductive logic, as described by Aristotle (Prior Analytics, 24b18–20) if both premises are true, then the conclusion is true.

Logic is a branch of mathematics, and these rules are like those of arithmetic, where 2+2=4. The result is not negotiable. It is not subject to debate. These rules are universal, they apply everywhere in the known universe. At any time or place one can imagine, 2+2 will equal 4.

Just like arithmetic, the rules of deductive logic are not time-dependent and can be articulated at any time and place in the Universe. If we were to stand on the surface of Mars, then 2+2 would equal 4, and the syllogism above would also be true. If we were traveling at nearly the speed of light, these rules would be true. If all humans disappeared from existence, and only one computer remained, then it could calculate that 2+2=4, and it would be correct. If the computer disappeared, and there were no sentient beings left, and no computational devices, then still, 2+2=4. The syllogism would also be true. These rules are not the inventions of man, they are the rules of nature, and of the Universe.

The simple rules of arithmetic and deductive logic transcend space, time, matter, and energy. There is no point in trying to refute a categorical syllogism in which both premises are true. The conclusion must be true.

The conclusion of this syllogism is self-evident, because it merely requires the combination of two correct premises to produce a correct conclusion.

Here’s my syllogism, however inelegantly drawn:

Major Premise: All candidates for POTUS must be able to prove that they are eligible to run for this office and meet the requirements, as spelled out in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. These requirements include conclusive proof of having been born a natural citizen of the United States.

Minor Premise: Mr. Obama has steadfastly refused to provide documents that prove he meets citizenship requirements.

Conclusion: Mr. Obama cannot prove he is a natural born citizen and that is why he has not produced these documents, and further, he is therefore ineligible to serve as POTUS.

Note to the Obamabots. I look forward to your comments, but do not send me the usual drivel.

This post is for thoughtful responses ONLY. I will toss out comments that show a lack of intelligence or insight . . . i.e. “ha, ha he won OR adjust the tin foil on your head’ GO IMMEDIATELY TO THE CYBERSPACE DUMPSTER!

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besides…

Herman Cain can become the Peoples President. Unlike Obama, Cain’s grassroots support is real not manufactured.

THE PEOPLES PRESIDENT 2012

Herman Cain crushed the so-called first tier candidates Mitt Romney (aka mittens) and Rick Perry in yesterday’s Florida straw poll. Cain’s win is important enough to bring international interest, with the International Business Times calling it a new race.

Surprise, surprise. surprise, (not!) the Sunday talk shows are chattering about Cain defeating Romney and Perry in the Florida straw poll.

What is left unsaid is that the real surprise to them is that the voters are not following the MSM & GOP elites narrative on who is likely to run against the fraud Obama.

Their narrative has no room for Herman Cain and so they barely/rarely cover him. Why bring attention to a man who can really turn this country around, right? And so they speak his name in whispers or not at all! All of that changed yesterday.

One of the lessons to be learned in the 2012 election is name recognition isn’t everything. It’s the message that counts! Simply put so even a Progressive “journalist” can understand, the truth will out!

What the GOP elites and the MSM fail to realize, is that they have made themselves increasingly irrelevant to the voters of America. They are as tone deaf to the voters as Obama is to capitalism.

A Cain victory over Obama is payback by the Birthers and independents for the GOP’s failure to tell the truth about Obama’s ineligibility. It is payback for knowingly leading the nation astray. Obama’s a fake and everyone knows it, with the possible exception of the most rabid Obots.

Even worse than Obama’s fraudulent presidency (Born a Brit, not Legit) has been his clear inability to perform the tasks at hand. BHO likes the pomp and circumstance. but the work needed to truly be the POTUS. God, he is such a waste, such an empty suit!

Unlike Romney (picked by Rove) and Perry (said to be NWO), Cain is not a bought man, and that boys ‘n girls is like a breath of fresh air. Unlike Obama, Cain thankfully is not a Progressive!

Over at American Thinker the question was posed, “Is the Cain win an anyone but Romney vote?” I think not. Cain is the real deal, and he’s Obama’s worst nightmare!

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OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE & ELIGIBILITY FOR POTUS – WHAT LAWMAKERS NEED TO KNOW BEFORE RETURNING HOME IN AUGUST (Part Two)

CNN COVERS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUES … SORT OF!

OBAMABOT CHALLENGE #2 – USING LOGIC DEFEND OBAMA’S REFUSAL TO PRODUCE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS PROVING HIS CITIZENSHIP

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

George Orwell.

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