Comments on: SHOCKING! MORE PROOF … MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ALWAYS KNEW OBAMA WAS INELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY (UPDATED) http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/ . . . thinking out loud about politics, the media, & the Constitution Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:10:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sandstone http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-23640 sandstone Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:42:22 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-23640 AGREED! AGREED!

]]> By: paulg http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-23639 paulg Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:14:27 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-23639 Putting them behind bars infers that they will be well fed and cared for the rest of their natural lives. I DON'T THINK SO! They have run this country soo far down the wrong road, that even if we do 180 degree turn around and doubletime it, we are 20 years away from the conditions we were in as a country in 2008. If you remember it wasn't rosie then either. THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF TREASON. Its time to take the money and all toys away from the children running this country. Its time to remove all the money power and prestige from "serving" in public office. Very low pay no perks,pensions,NOTHING! Term limits, as if you'd need them in a job where you are subjected to the same laws as everyone else. The time is nye... Putting them behind bars infers that they will be well fed and cared for the rest of their natural lives. I DON’T THINK SO! They have run this country soo far down the wrong road, that even if we do 180 degree turn around and doubletime it, we are 20 years away from the conditions we were in as a country in 2008. If you remember it wasn’t rosie then either. THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF TREASON. Its time to take the money and all toys away from the children running this country. Its time to remove all the money power and prestige from “serving” in public office. Very low pay no perks,pensions,NOTHING! Term limits, as if you’d need them in a job where you are subjected to the same laws as everyone else. The time is nye…

]]> By: sandstone http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-23638 sandstone Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:18:23 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-23638 Let me finish your statement, "It's time to round them all up and<em> put them behind bars</em><strong>!"</strong> Let me finish your statement, “It’s time to round them all up and put them behind bars!”

]]> By: paulg http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-23637 paulg Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:39:04 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-23637 Ha Natural born hell, the SOB can't prove his Hawaii birth. That long form wouldn't Get a D Grade in elementary computer ED. WHAT a joke. Its time to round em all up.... Ha
Natural born hell, the SOB can’t prove his Hawaii birth. That long form wouldn’t
Get a D Grade in elementary computer ED. WHAT a joke. Its time to round em all up….

]]> By: grasshopper http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-23625 grasshopper Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:08 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-23625 "I'm an immigration attorny". You say that as if it's a good thing !? "I'm an immigration attorny". You say that as if it's a good thing !?

]]> By: Carol http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5847 Carol Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:26:08 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-5847 Regarding McCain: Like I said in another post I always look at the "intent" of the framers of a law. Our Founding Fathers were beyond wise and I believe our Constitution absolutely has "Divine" inspiration. When our military is deployed to even our enemies soil and a child is born on that soil I believe that the Framer's of the Law would not have our soldiers children subject to that foreign soil, it's King, nor dictators. If there is no such law for that protection then there should be because some dictator of a country could declare that the child could not leave the soil as it belonged to them. Just yesterday the leaders of Haiti stopped Americans trying to take orphaned children out of their country. The country you are in claims children born on their soil as their citizens and that would mean that if there was not some law regarding the military deployed there then Panama could have declared that McCain's parents had no right to leave Panama with one of Panama's citizens. McCain provided all his records (which Obama never has) and let the Congress rule that he his parents had not relinquished his natural born status just because he was not on America soil but on an America base retaining American soveignty on that American base born of two American born citizens. Obama's father was subject to the King/Queen of England and any child of his would be subject also. Women's rights were always subject to the man's. So the man's allegiance to his country takes precedence over the mother's rights and her allegiance to her country. The child is claimed through the father and not the mother in a country that has a King or Queen. Regardless, of where Obama's children are born they are subject to the Mother country. That is one of the reasons why America claimed it's Independence. Unless Obama's father declared his own independence from Britain then any child of his is a British subject and that citizenship trumps any claim to a US citizenship. That is how I reason out the intent of all these laws but the actual laws I personally do not know myself. btw: Even with the KNOWING HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE what and who can do anything about this. I also reason out that if it is finally ruled that he is ineligible and if Pelosi knowing this did cover it up....then he would be deposed and his whole Administration demantled (Vice Predident) and Pelosi would have to be deposed. Hillary would automatically be sworn in as President because the election was stolen from her by this cover up. Ya think? Regarding McCain: Like I said in another post I always look at the “intent” of the framers of a law. Our Founding Fathers were beyond wise and I believe our Constitution absolutely has “Divine” inspiration.
When our military is deployed to even our enemies soil and a child is born on that soil I believe that the Framer’s of the Law would not have our soldiers children subject to that foreign soil, it’s King, nor dictators. If there is no such law for that protection then there should be because some dictator of a country could declare that the child could not leave the soil as it belonged to them.
Just yesterday the leaders of Haiti stopped Americans trying to take orphaned children out of their country.
The country you are in claims children born on their soil as their citizens and that would mean that if there was not some law regarding the military deployed there then Panama could have declared that McCain’s parents had no right to leave Panama with one of Panama’s citizens.
McCain provided all his records (which Obama never has) and let the Congress rule that he his parents had not relinquished his natural born status just because he was not on America soil but on an America base retaining American soveignty on that American base born of two American born citizens.
Obama’s father was subject to the King/Queen of England and any child of his would be subject also. Women’s rights were always subject to the man’s. So the man’s allegiance to his country takes precedence over the mother’s rights and her allegiance to her country. The child is claimed through the father and not the mother in a country that has a King or Queen. Regardless, of where Obama’s children are born they are subject to the Mother country. That is one of the reasons why America claimed it’s Independence. Unless Obama’s father declared his own independence from Britain then any child of his is a British subject and that citizenship trumps any claim to a US citizenship.
That is how I reason out the intent of all these laws but the actual laws I personally do not know myself.
btw: Even with the KNOWING HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE what and who can do anything about this. I also reason out that if it is finally ruled that he is ineligible and if Pelosi knowing this did cover it up….then he would be deposed and his whole Administration demantled (Vice Predident) and Pelosi would have to be deposed. Hillary would automatically be sworn in as President because the election was stolen from her by this cover up. Ya think?

]]> By: Carol http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5844 Carol Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:11:25 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-5844 I was referring to Richard Kent's quote: Furthermore, new constitutional law trumps old statutory law. Any first year law student could tell you that. The passing of the XIV Amendment killed any old Congressional ruminations on the subject, just as the passing of the XIII Amendment killed the Escaped Slave Act. I am not a lawyer but I have worked as a member of the fraud investigative unit for the Dept. of Social Services. Our manuals regarding eligibility and what constitutes fraud were ever evolving and changing. I learned that even in any questionable situation you always refer back to the Original law and the Original intent of that law. You must go by the principle that a law is not imposed just to have a law.. it is not a law just to be a law...<b>Always ask why they would make such a law.</b><b> So in looking at this matter you see that the Framer's of the Constitution studied hard and long on where one's loyalties would lie in a time of War and being the Commander in Chief of the US with the decision to deploy troops the President must not have a conflict of loyalties. Having both parents born and bound in loyalty to the United States would alleviate any such conflict. This law must be kept intact. It is vital to the security of this nation. If we allow Obama with dual citizenship with inherit split loyalties it sets a precedent that could endanger our nation in the future should that other nation be an enemy of the US. There is also a very dire situation that we have in this present day and that is because our enemy is not a religious sect that refers to itself as the Nation of Islam. Just as a Jewish person is deemed Jewish via his mother's bloodline, A Muslim is deemed Muslim via his father's bloodline. His Muslim name is considered holy and if he converts to any other religion he must change his name. Obama knows this and yet he keeps his Muslim name. So he has already a conflict of loyalties. He also knows that by keeping that name his father's bloodline citizenship trumps his American born mother's citizenship because women are not considered to have the same authority. Therefore, I would surmise that according to Kenyan's his loyalties would lie first to Kenya and his Muslim namesake. That is why I think that Obama is having a problem saying that we are at war with terrorist nor will he call them terrorist ...just criminals. No one seems willing to vet this information. And even with this knowledge what are we really dloing here but bloviating. The people are so proud that we have a black man in office and that Martin Luther King's dream has come true but this black man is not a Martin Luther King. He could very well be a usurper and I believe we have been hoodwinked. Who can really do anything about this? Going thru the courts as Orly Taiz has tried and Phillip Berg has tried and that seems to be going no where fast. Every reasonalbe Republican is afraid of being mocked as a "Birther". So who and how can this really be addressed. "Sigh"</b> I was referring to Richard Kent’s quote:
Furthermore, new constitutional law trumps old statutory law. Any first year law student could tell you that.

The passing of the XIV Amendment killed any old Congressional ruminations on the subject, just as the passing of the XIII Amendment killed the Escaped Slave Act.

I am not a lawyer but I have worked as a member of the fraud investigative unit for the Dept. of Social Services. Our manuals regarding eligibility and what constitutes fraud were ever evolving and changing. I learned that even in any questionable situation you always refer back to the Original law and the Original intent of that law.
You must go by the principle that a law is not imposed just to have a law.. it is not a law just to be a law…Always ask why they would make such a law. So in looking at this matter you see that the Framer’s of the Constitution studied hard and long on where one’s loyalties would lie in a time of War and being the Commander in Chief of the US with the decision to deploy troops the President must not have a conflict of loyalties. Having both parents born and bound in loyalty to the United States would alleviate any such conflict.
This law must be kept intact. It is vital to the security of this nation. If we allow Obama with dual citizenship with inherit split loyalties it sets a precedent that could endanger our nation in the future should that other nation be an enemy of the US.

There is also a very dire situation that we have in this present day and that is because our enemy is not a religious sect that refers to itself as the Nation of Islam.
Just as a Jewish person is deemed Jewish via his mother’s bloodline, A Muslim is deemed Muslim via his father’s bloodline. His Muslim name is considered holy and if he converts to any other religion he must change his name. Obama knows this and yet he keeps his Muslim name. So he has already a conflict of loyalties. He also knows that by keeping that name his father’s bloodline citizenship trumps his American born mother’s citizenship because women are not considered to have the same authority. Therefore, I would surmise that according to Kenyan’s his loyalties would lie first to Kenya and his Muslim namesake. That is why I think that Obama is having a problem saying that we are at war with terrorist nor will he call them terrorist …just criminals.
No one seems willing to vet this information. And even with this knowledge what are we really dloing here but bloviating. The people are so proud that we have a black man in office and that Martin Luther King’s dream has come true but this black man is not a Martin Luther King. He could very well be a usurper and I believe we have been hoodwinked.
Who can really do anything about this? Going thru the courts as Orly Taiz has tried and Phillip Berg has tried and that seems to be going no where fast. Every reasonalbe Republican is afraid of being mocked as a “Birther”. So who and how can this really be addressed.
“Sigh”

]]> By: sandstone http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5826 sandstone Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:47:46 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-5826 Carol: I don't know what <em>new law</em> you are referring to. Also, I agree with you as to the NBC clause and its relationship to the Commander in Chief. Carol:

I don’t know what new law you are referring to. Also, I agree with you as to the NBC clause and its relationship to the Commander in Chief.

]]> By: sandstone http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5825 sandstone Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:41:14 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-5825 Carol: Regarding your last 2 comments, you are very right to perceive the word "African" as being a dead giveaway that is written on the Obama birth certificate. When people go online to view it, too bad there isn't a red flashing light shouting "forgery". As for McCain, his place of birth unfortunately did disqualify him to run as POTUS. If this wasn't the case then there was no need for him to spend thousands of dollars for attorneys to write an <em>opinion</em> that he was qualified to run. Don't forget the Senate passed a <strong>non-binding resolution</strong> (an <em>opinion</em> and feel good piece) S Res 511, declaring him to be a natural born citizen. You are either born a NBC or you are not. Declaring it to be so, doesn't make it so. I have mixed feelings about McCain ... no one can doubt his love for this country or his service, but had the Congress not been trying to make an exception for McCain we wouldn't have a fraud sitting in the White House. McCain was in NO POSITION to object when Obama ran ... sad but true. I voted for McCain, but he was still ineligible. Hillary was my choice, but that was taken away from us and the country by the frauds in the DNC. Carol:

Regarding your last 2 comments, you are very right to perceive the word “African” as being a dead giveaway that is written on the Obama birth certificate. When people go online to view it, too bad there isn’t a red flashing light shouting “forgery”.

As for McCain, his place of birth unfortunately did disqualify him to run as POTUS. If this wasn’t the case then there was no need for him to spend thousands of dollars for attorneys to write an opinion that he was qualified to run. Don’t forget the Senate passed a non-binding resolution (an opinion and feel good piece) S Res 511, declaring him to be a natural born citizen. You are either born a NBC or you are not. Declaring it to be so, doesn’t make it so.

I have mixed feelings about McCain … no one can doubt his love for this country or his service, but had the Congress not been trying to make an exception for McCain we wouldn’t have a fraud sitting in the White House. McCain was in NO POSITION to object when Obama ran … sad but true. I voted for McCain, but he was still ineligible. Hillary was my choice, but that was taken away from us and the country by the frauds in the DNC.

]]> By: Carol http://www.hillarynme.com/2009/10/08/shocking-more-proof-members-of-congress-always-knew-obama-was-ineligible-for-the-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5824 Carol Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:44 +0000 http://www.hillarynme.com/?p=4777#comment-5824 mmm? Then why was Swartzeneggar so eager to have the law changed so that he, himself, could run for President? Just because the "new" law meant that any child born on American soil was indeed a citizen and just because it is silent regarding the POTUS clause just means that the clause of exclusion of the POTUS still stands until addressed as such by an amendment. Natural born is the requirement because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and should have no conflict of interest in deploying troops to land of foreign soil therefore he must not have comprising issues as possibly declaring war against a country that shares his citizenship.....Kenya. mmm? Then why was Swartzeneggar so eager to have the law changed so that he, himself, could run for President? Just because the “new” law meant that any child born on American soil was indeed a citizen and just because it is silent regarding the POTUS clause just means that the clause of exclusion of the POTUS still stands until addressed as such by an amendment. Natural born is the requirement because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and should have no conflict of interest in deploying troops to land of foreign soil therefore he must not have comprising issues as possibly declaring war against a country that shares his citizenship…..Kenya.

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