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	<title>Comments on: MSNBC MAKES A MOCKERY OF OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE COVERAGE&#8230; LIES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC</title>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what now? The second time in recent Presidential history we have a President that is &quot;illegitimately&quot; elected to office.  link: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,485769,00.html

What does that mean for Obama&#039;s loyalties to the US and ability to rule?  The argument is that if a person is not a natural born citizen, then he would betray the country?  Or is it that we fear he will put the interests of Kenya or Britain over the interest of the United States?  Or are you worried that he won&#039;t be isolationist enough?   What, per say, do you want your county back from, other than the Democratic Party?  

This sounds like the same trivial unfounded whining the Democrats made with chads and a Supreme Court ruling in 2000.  What was the mantra then?  &quot;Get over it and move on for the nation&quot;
link:   http://www.cosmopolis.ch/english/cosmo12/bush.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what now? The second time in recent Presidential history we have a President that is &#8220;illegitimately&#8221; elected to office.  link: <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,485769,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,485769,00.html</a></p>
<p>What does that mean for Obama&#8217;s loyalties to the US and ability to rule?  The argument is that if a person is not a natural born citizen, then he would betray the country?  Or is it that we fear he will put the interests of Kenya or Britain over the interest of the United States?  Or are you worried that he won&#8217;t be isolationist enough?   What, per say, do you want your county back from, other than the Democratic Party?  </p>
<p>This sounds like the same trivial unfounded whining the Democrats made with chads and a Supreme Court ruling in 2000.  What was the mantra then?  &#8220;Get over it and move on for the nation&#8221;<br />
link:   <a href="http://www.cosmopolis.ch/english/cosmo12/bush.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmopolis.ch/english/cosmo12/bush.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: purplehawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>purplehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.&quot;

Who are you to judge what is &quot;implausible?&quot;  People do strange things all the time.  You folks are doing some seriously strange stuff!  Moreover, in your synopsis, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.  Is the fact that his mom took off for a university gig on the mainland now a disqualification for him to be president as well?  Has anyone questioned Sarah Palin&#039;s peripatetic college career?  Would attending five different schools disqualify her?  Or would her mother have had to do that?

You &quot;frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets and listening to right-wing talk radio,&quot; to borrow from Klein again, really are despicable.  This is racism plain and simple.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who are you to judge what is &#8220;implausible?&#8221;  People do strange things all the time.  You folks are doing some seriously strange stuff!  Moreover, in your synopsis, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.  Is the fact that his mom took off for a university gig on the mainland now a disqualification for him to be president as well?  Has anyone questioned Sarah Palin&#8217;s peripatetic college career?  Would attending five different schools disqualify her?  Or would her mother have had to do that?</p>
<p>You &#8220;frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets and listening to right-wing talk radio,&#8221; to borrow from Klein again, really are despicable.  This is racism plain and simple.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: No Free Lunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Free Lunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 
Subject: Re: Stanley &quot;Ann&quot; Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State.  This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request.  Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu] 
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance: 
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966 
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974 
Summer 1976 
Spring 1978 
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992 

Degrees awarded: 
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967) 
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983) 
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992) 

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
**************************************** 
Stuart Lau 
University Registrar 
Office of Admissions and Records 
University of Hawaii at Manoa 
Ph: (808) 956-8010 
**************************************** 

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER  BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.</p>
<p>From: <a href="mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu">pubrec@u.washington.edu</a> [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]<br />
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008<br />
Subject: Re: Stanley &#8220;Ann&#8221; Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration</p>
<p>Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:</p>
<p>Autumn 1961<br />
Winter 1962<br />
Spring 1962</p>
<p>The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State.  This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request.  Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.</p>
<p>Madolyne Lawson<br />
Office of Public Records<br />
206-543-9180</p>
<p>From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]<br />
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008<br />
Subject: Re: Inquiry</p>
<p>The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:<br />
Dates of attendance:<br />
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)<br />
Spring 1963 &#8211; Summer 1966<br />
Fall 1972 &#8211; Fall 1974<br />
Summer 1976<br />
Spring 1978<br />
Fall 1984 &#8211; Summer 1992 </p>
<p>Degrees awarded:<br />
BA &#8211; Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)<br />
MA &#8211; Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)<br />
PhD &#8211; Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992) </p>
<p>Sincerely, Stuart Lau<br />
****************************************<br />
Stuart Lau<br />
University Registrar<br />
Office of Admissions and Records<br />
University of Hawaii at Manoa<br />
Ph: (808) 956-8010<br />
**************************************** </p>
<p>Commentary on University Emails:</p>
<p>For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:</p>
<p>1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.<br />
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.<br />
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.<br />
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.<br />
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER  BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.</p>
<p>This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.</p>
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		<title>By: purplehawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>purplehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWB says: &quot;I want my country back.&quot;

Your country never left.  It&#039;s still here.  No one has taken it from you.

I&#039;m going to quote Time Magazine columnist Joe Klein, who has perhaps the best interpretation of what the Birther movement is really about:

&quot;Let me tell you what this is all about: The President of the United States is named Barack Hussein Obama. He is the first chief executive of this grand and good nation not to be melanin-deprived. There are a fair number of frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets. They listen to right-wing talk radio. They show up at Republican town meetings. They can not believe that a man named Barack Hussein Obama could actually have been elected President. I must admit, I relish their discomfort. But I wish they&#039;d go away.&quot;

He&#039;s got you folks nailed.  There are a lot of us who hear the dog-whistle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWB says: &#8220;I want my country back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your country never left.  It&#8217;s still here.  No one has taken it from you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to quote Time Magazine columnist Joe Klein, who has perhaps the best interpretation of what the Birther movement is really about:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me tell you what this is all about: The President of the United States is named Barack Hussein Obama. He is the first chief executive of this grand and good nation not to be melanin-deprived. There are a fair number of frightened, ignorant, idiot white folks still prowling the streets. They listen to right-wing talk radio. They show up at Republican town meetings. They can not believe that a man named Barack Hussein Obama could actually have been elected President. I must admit, I relish their discomfort. But I wish they&#8217;d go away.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s got you folks nailed.  There are a lot of us who hear the dog-whistle.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally:

Thank you so much for answering DR Larson.  You did that very nicely.  

The only place I might disagree with you (slightly) is his mother&#039;s age ... it impacts on his citizenship whether he was born inside or outside the states.  There is a strong case to be made that Obama was born a British subject.  At best Obama was born with dual citizenship, which as you point out makes him ineligible for the office of POTUS.  Clearly he was not born a natural born citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally:</p>
<p>Thank you so much for answering DR Larson.  You did that very nicely.  </p>
<p>The only place I might disagree with you (slightly) is his mother&#8217;s age &#8230; it impacts on his citizenship whether he was born inside or outside the states.  There is a strong case to be made that Obama was born a British subject.  At best Obama was born with dual citizenship, which as you point out makes him ineligible for the office of POTUS.  Clearly he was not born a natural born citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Larson - you need to do some research yourself.  The OP has it perfectly correct; while you seem not to understand that there is a distinct difference in US Citizen and Natural Born Citizen when it concerns POTUS.  Obama MAY very well be a US Citizen, but he most certainly is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the Constitution.

If he were born outside of the US, he most definitely is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, due to his mother&#039;s age at the time of his birth.  The laws on the books at the time stated she must be age 21 at the time of his birth to have passed on Natural Born Status.

Bottom line - it makes NO DIFFERENCE where Obama was born.  What matters is the citizenship of his parents.  1 was a US Citizen and 1 was a British Subject - giving Obama dual-citizenship AT BIRTH, making him ineligible to legally be POTUS.  He is an usurper.  Period - End of Argument! 

The real question is this:
During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948.  Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Larson &#8211; you need to do some research yourself.  The OP has it perfectly correct; while you seem not to understand that there is a distinct difference in US Citizen and Natural Born Citizen when it concerns POTUS.  Obama MAY very well be a US Citizen, but he most certainly is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the Constitution.</p>
<p>If he were born outside of the US, he most definitely is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, due to his mother&#8217;s age at the time of his birth.  The laws on the books at the time stated she must be age 21 at the time of his birth to have passed on Natural Born Status.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; it makes NO DIFFERENCE where Obama was born.  What matters is the citizenship of his parents.  1 was a US Citizen and 1 was a British Subject &#8211; giving Obama dual-citizenship AT BIRTH, making him ineligible to legally be POTUS.  He is an usurper.  Period &#8211; End of Argument! </p>
<p>The real question is this:<br />
During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948.  Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?</p>
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		<title>By: DR Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DR Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t question that you are a patriotic citizen. In this case you are not informed however. If you had bothered to read the laws on US citizenship on the State Dept&#039;s website, you would have found that whether he was born in New Jersey, Kenya or Beijing, as long as his mother was an American citizen, so was he. Anyone born to a mother who is an American citizen is automatically a citizen as well. End of argument! Before you question the president of the United States, do your homework.

You state that both parents must be citizens, however you did not read your own link. This is from that link:

&quot;In many circumstances, even though a child is born outside the United States, if at least one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child&#039;s birth, the child automatically &quot;acquires&quot; citizenship. When this child marries and has children, those children may also acquire U.S. citizenship at birth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t question that you are a patriotic citizen. In this case you are not informed however. If you had bothered to read the laws on US citizenship on the State Dept&#8217;s website, you would have found that whether he was born in New Jersey, Kenya or Beijing, as long as his mother was an American citizen, so was he. Anyone born to a mother who is an American citizen is automatically a citizen as well. End of argument! Before you question the president of the United States, do your homework.</p>
<p>You state that both parents must be citizens, however you did not read your own link. This is from that link:</p>
<p>&#8220;In many circumstances, even though a child is born outside the United States, if at least one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child&#8217;s birth, the child automatically &#8220;acquires&#8221; citizenship. When this child marries and has children, those children may also acquire U.S. citizenship at birth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this is the “most transparent White House in history” why can’t we see that birth certificate without relying on picture files validated by factcheck and snopes? I want my country back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is the “most transparent White House in history” why can’t we see that birth certificate without relying on picture files validated by factcheck and snopes? I want my country back.</p>
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